World 13

[The Swede]

(12-04-2010 01:07 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  Roby has a terrible passing game, his game all about scooting from DH.
He would not get away with that in the NRL.
James Graham? Terrible choice. Loads of better forwards in Superleague never mind the NRL.
Yes I know people will trot out the most metres stat, but how many tackles did the ginger whinger break last season?
He goes to ground easier than a premiership footballer.
Peacock is far better, Morley is better, Coley was better last season, Carvell breaks more tackles.
FFS Fielden was better last year than Graham.
Graham is one of those players that starts a fight then hides behind someone else, no heart, no desire to run through or over another player, just get to ground and play the ball.
Just my opinon, but I like a prop forward that makes runs that leave the defence scatteres on the floor like a set of skittles.

Wouldn't at all say Roby's passing is terrible, not up to the standard of Cameron Smith, I accept, but nevertheless still very good.

And Graham, whatever his on or off field psyche and attitude, he is recognised as the best prop in the world, and has been by the RLIF as well as many players and pundits, for the last four years I think, with all the accolades he has won personally.

[Exile in Tiger country]

(12-04-2010 01:32 PM)billie joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2010 01:07 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  Roby has a terrible passing game, his game all about scooting from DH.
He would not get away with that in the NRL.
James Graham? Terrible choice. Loads of better forwards in Superleague never mind the NRL.
Yes I know people will trot out the most metres stat, but how many tackles did the ginger whinger break last season?
He goes to ground easier than a premiership footballer.
Peacock is far better, Morley is better, Coley was better last season, Carvell breaks more tackles.
FFS Fielden was better last year than Graham.
Graham is one of those players that starts a fight then hides behind someone else, no heart, no desire to run through or over another player, just get to ground and play the ball.
Just my opinon, but I like a prop forward that makes runs that leave the defence scatteres on the floor like a set of skittles.

And you sir are talking bollocks.
Graham for me is the best prop in the game full stop.
If the likes of Petero Civonoceva recognise him as a major talent I will take his word before a goons word anyday.

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(12-04-2010 01:07 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  Roby has a terrible passing game, his game all about scooting from DH.
He would not get away with that in the NRL.
James Graham? Terrible choice. Loads of better forwards in Superleague never mind the NRL.
Yes I know people will trot out the most metres stat, but how many tackles did the ginger whinger break last season?
He goes to ground easier than a premiership footballer.
Peacock is far better, Morley is better, Coley was better last season, Carvell breaks more tackles.
FFS Fielden was better last year than Graham.
Graham is one of those players that starts a fight then hides behind someone else, no heart, no desire to run through or over another player, just get to ground and play the ball.
Just my opinon, but I like a prop forward that makes runs that leave the defence scatteres on the floor like a set of skittles.

You also mention Roby,you say all he does is a quick scoot from dummy half.
I agree he still has a bit to learn but he is only 25 which is still young.
This kid has all the potential in the world to be the best hooker in the game.
Did you not see his defensive work in the 4 nations,he was outstanding,and again the Aussies rate him and again I will listen to them than listen to you,no offence intended.

No offence taken, but neither of them deserve a place in the world 13 IMO.
Realistically, I doubt any British player would get in a world side, should a Venusian RL side turn up and offer us a game.
The Aussies are so good they could probably enter the world cup as Queensland and NSW and get at least one side to the final, probably to play New Zealand.
Graham I admit does a job, he's just not the sort of prop I enjoy watching. He plays more like a fat second row forward, and I still want to see him break a tackle.
Roby has spent to long playing second fiddle to Cunningham, which is why he has, I think, developed the game he has. Cunningham's game was more of a "take one step, then pass " game. Admittedly 99% of the time it was a forward pass, but because he played that style, Roby developed the scooting game, much as Mickey Higham did when at Saints. This gave Saints two styles of play depending on which hooker was on the pitch.
They stats don't lie and Graham has made most metres, but as I say, I don't like the game he plays, and he wouldn't get in a side I was picking. It's all down to personal opinions.

[StevenLRL]

Stay with me here.

If you could pick 2 equally good teams of the best players in the world to play each other who would they be?

pick 17 players for each team.


lacking better names....
TEAM A
1. B. Slater
2. D. Boyd
3. G. Inglis
4. SKD
5. J. Hayne
6. D. Lockyer
7. B. Marshall
8. A. Blair
9. C. Smith
10. D. Shillington
11. G. Ellis
12. S. Burgess
13. P. Gallen

14. I. Luke
15. A. Morley
16. P. Civoneciva
17. J. Thurston



TEAM B
1. S. Tomkins
2. J. Nightingale
3. W. Tonga
4. M. Shenton
5. T. Briscoe
6. T. Carney
7. C. Cronk
8. FPN
9. R. Farah
10. J. Graham
11. S. Thaiday
12. B. Matulino
13. J. Smith

14. J. Roby
15. B. Harrison
16. JWH
17. T. Leuluai

[billie joe]

(12-04-2010 05:31 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  

(12-04-2010 01:32 PM)billie joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2010 01:07 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  Roby has a terrible passing game, his game all about scooting from DH.
He would not get away with that in the NRL.
James Graham? Terrible choice. Loads of better forwards in Superleague never mind the NRL.
Yes I know people will trot out the most metres stat, but how many tackles did the ginger whinger break last season?
He goes to ground easier than a premiership footballer.
Peacock is far better, Morley is better, Coley was better last season, Carvell breaks more tackles.
FFS Fielden was better last year than Graham.
Graham is one of those players that starts a fight then hides behind someone else, no heart, no desire to run through or over another player, just get to ground and play the ball.
Just my opinon, but I like a prop forward that makes runs that leave the defence scatteres on the floor like a set of skittles.

And you sir are talking bollocks.
Graham for me is the best prop in the game full stop.
If the likes of Petero Civonoceva recognise him as a major talent I will take his word before a goons word anyday.

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(12-04-2010 01:07 PM)Exile in Tiger country Wrote:  Roby has a terrible passing game, his game all about scooting from DH.
He would not get away with that in the NRL.
James Graham? Terrible choice. Loads of better forwards in Superleague never mind the NRL.
Yes I know people will trot out the most metres stat, but how many tackles did the ginger whinger break last season?
He goes to ground easier than a premiership footballer.
Peacock is far better, Morley is better, Coley was better last season, Carvell breaks more tackles.
FFS Fielden was better last year than Graham.
Graham is one of those players that starts a fight then hides behind someone else, no heart, no desire to run through or over another player, just get to ground and play the ball.
Just my opinon, but I like a prop forward that makes runs that leave the defence scatteres on the floor like a set of skittles.

You also mention Roby,you say all he does is a quick scoot from dummy half.
I agree he still has a bit to learn but he is only 25 which is still young.
This kid has all the potential in the world to be the best hooker in the game.
Did you not see his defensive work in the 4 nations,he was outstanding,and again the Aussies rate him and again I will listen to them than listen to you,no offence intended.

No offence taken, but neither of them deserve a place in the world 13 IMO.
Realistically, I doubt any British player would get in a world side, should a Venusian RL side turn up and offer us a game.
The Aussies are so good they could probably enter the world cup as Queensland and NSW and get at least one side to the final, probably to play New Zealand.
Graham I admit does a job, he's just not the sort of prop I enjoy watching. He plays more like a fat second row forward, and I still want to see him break a tackle.
Roby has spent to long playing second fiddle to Cunningham, which is why he has, I think, developed the game he has. Cunningham's game was more of a "take one step, then pass " game. Admittedly 99% of the time it was a forward pass, but because he played that style, Roby developed the scooting game, much as Mickey Higham did when at Saints. This gave Saints two styles of play depending on which hooker was on the pitch.
They stats don't lie and Graham has made most metres, but as I say, I don't like the game he plays, and he wouldn't get in a side I was picking. It's all down to personal opinions.

Fair enough mate each to their own but I stand by what I said.
We will see how Jammer goes when he inevitably goes down under at the end of next season.
For me he will absolutely kill it down there,they will love him.
As for Roby there is no denying he has developed the scooting game as you say but there is much more to his game than that.The next time you see Roby play just concentrate on him and I think you will understand what I mean.

[StevenLRL]

allow all these quotes.... making me all dizzy lol

[saint501]

(12-03-2010 04:44 PM)GMO Wrote:  IS

1.Billy Slater (Aus)
2. Jason Nightingale (NZ)
3. Shaun Kenny-Dowall (NZ)
4. Brent Tate (Aus)
5. Manu Vatuvei (NZ)
6. Benji Marshall (NZ)
7. Nathan Fien (NZ)
8. James Graham (Eng)
9. Cameron Smith (Aus)
10. David Shillington (Aus)
11. Sam Thaiday (Aus)
12. Sam Burgess (Eng)
13. Paul Gallen (Aus)



I personally don't agree with some of the selections but I cant really change them.

Cant really argue with most of them selections

[StevenLRL]

Thaiday over ellis?
tate over tonga?
vatuvei over boyd?

fien has played 2 games at 7 for st george this year, so how can he be the best number 7 in the world?
carney is primarily a stand off, however can play at fullback or at 7 so i would have had him in the world team.

that is if your basing the world team of the whole of this season.

[jazfc]

1.Billy Slater
2.Darius boyd
3.Shaun kenny dowall
4.Israel Folau (i know hes gone to afl but he is class)
5.Manu Vatuvei
6.Benji marshall
7.Jonathan Thurston
8.Sam burgess
9.Cam smith
10.James graham
11.Gareth ellis
12.Sam thaiday
13.Paul gallen or luke lewis